Yesterday's #lrnchat was about Learning Management Systems. It was the so called "late" #lrnchat. It means that even though the times of the tweetree appl I used for following the below discussion show 09:30 PM, the time on my time zone was 04:30 AM. I was happy to just spot the sharply summarizing conversation between @courosa and @rmazar.
It crystallizes the situation were we seem to currently be on - actually everywhere LMS:s are in use. Nobody is really content. Nobody has a clear view of what we are doing about it. I feel the case being very similar with other systems like within quality or process management in general.
The following chat clip ends with thinking of a system being an aggregator, glue, container, but not any whole SYSTEM itself. -Aren't we used to think that a system is something brought and served us on a tray. We pick things up and add ourselves only what's absolutely necessary - e.g. for gaining course credits. When this is accepted throughout studies, how would the culture automatically change when graduates step into the working life?!
I think we have a wide, wide problem: We deeply disdain the capacity of thinking. Until we make helping each other to grow as thinkers as (one of) the main outcome(s) of what we want to gain by using an LMS - nothing is really going to happen. There's no concrete action without changing the opinions we keep saying aloud. That requires growing as a thinker. This is valid throughout the whole organization - any. Enjoy the chat of thinkers:
@rmazar 09:34 PM: @courosa Worthwhile learning can happen anywhere, including inside a "learning" management system. #lrnchat
@courosa 09:35 PM: @rmazar where's it more likely to happen? #lrnchat
@rmazar 09:35 PM: @courosa Of course, it can happen equally well in a corridor or on a subway... #lrnchat
@courosa 09:36 PM: @rmazar agreed - then what's the point of the LMS? #control #lrnchat
@rmazar 09:39 PM: @courosa Course management. Basic organization structure. Our students HATE it when one of their courses isn't in Bb.
@rmazar 09:40 PM: @courosa They don't love Bb...they just don't have to have to figure out where all these different courses are and how they work.
@courosa 09:41 PM: @rmazar then how do students adjust to learning in the real world, if they know only the LMS?
@rmazar 09:45 PM: @courosa The CMS is only the vehicle. The student doesn't learn in the CMS, they learn with docs, peers, instructor.
@courosa 09:42 PM: @rmazar maybe the problem is with "course" - expecting that there is a finite learning unit that they need to find.
@rmazar 09:44 PM: @courosa I agree!!! The "course" and the culture of grades as reward has created a very bizarre environment.
@courosa 09:43 PM: @rmazar the LMS only perpetuates these types of learning systems/units.
@rmazar 09:46 PM: @courosa Yes...but it can't change before the models change. The majority of instructors want it to be that restrictive.
@rmazar 09:47 PM: @courosa I'm not on their side, though, don't get me wrong. I haven't met a course management system I liked. :/
@rmazar 09:52 PM: The future of the LMS = no LMS; web spaces constructed by instructors built out of a bunch of tools all glued together. #lrnchat
@rmazar 09:53 PM: LMS as aggregator, glue, container, not system in itself. #lrnchat
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